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September 22, 2023

34 thoughts on “Why China Wants Moon Rocks

  1. What if Earth changes its orbit for worse? No more water?
    Wondering whether Revelation 21:1,5 means exactly that (a new heaven, no more sea). Well, that would be even worse than a pole shift itself. Even the Great Year can exists only with a stable orbit….

    “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. “

    1. Do all these recent hints about the coming “dark winter” are suggesting exactly that?

      “Dark winter” could be a nuclear fallout too, though.

    2. I have assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that the new heaven and new earth describe what survivors see after a pole shift. No more sea, I assume, means near Israel. If the crust moves far enough, or if rotation is reversed as the Egyptians and Greeks suggest, then the Mediterranean would recede to the west.

      1. From the perspective of an observer on the Moon, a 180° pole flip leaves The Earth’s spin unchanged. However, the geographic North pole gradually (during 20 hours or so) slips down south, just as the South pole gradually slips up north, until both occupy opposite positions. Concomitantly, crustal displacement is highly likely, which means the poles will appear to have shifted up to 20° or so from a surface dweller’s perspective – hence pole shift.

        From the perspective of the surface dweller, the rotation of The Earth is opposite to what it was before, i.e. the Sun now rises on the opposite horizon.

      2. Well, ‘new heaven’ must refer to some changes either in earth axis obliquity, or earth orbit, or both.
        Only then will we have a truly new heaven.
        ‘long dark winter’ could mean an orbit with a long and a dark winter, I mean no more circular orbit, but an elliptical orbit with a long time away from Sun.

      3. By ‘up to 20° or so’, I’m not trying to be specific. I mean that a crustal shift could be a few degrees, or a few more, but it’s highly unlikely to be in the region of 45 or 90. Accumulation is also rare, i.e. the polar regions tend to remain polar, but in some rare occasions it’s possible successive shifts will accumulate in accord with evidence that even currently equatorial regions have once experienced polar locations.

  2. There are legends of a great white flash in Solar System. Such a flash was to destroy the dark side of the Moon, and this is why the Chinese want some stuff from there, to know what had happened and what we can possibly expect.

  3. The orbit will stay the same…? How can you be so sure? Things which have stayed the same for a long time (as the very notion of the great year suggests) sometimes change….Well, if no gravity tides appear….
    I am puzzled by the proliferation of news (just search youtube) suggesting some new celestial bodies entering Solar System and wreaking havoc… I am also puzzled by rather inordinate attention devoted to different kinds of neutron stars in those news …
    But well, let’s say, the temporary, intermittent presence of a neutron star here could provide an alternative explanation for a Sun ‘nova’, which I have difficulty to believe in otherwise…

    1. You wrote about: “the proliferation of news (just search youtube)” Youtube videos don’t necessarily mean something is real. I’m not sure what “new celestial bodies entering Solar System” you’re accepting as real – hopefully not (as others wittier than I termed Nibiru) the “imaginary bullshit planet” – but there is lots of evidence for stars that repeatedly nova: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tQAyhmnOswhttps://youtu.be/s1WyDw2ezls?t=172

      1. David, let me turn the table for a moment: if novas/supernovas were so common during life cycles of stars, we wouldn’t put a year of explosion by a star name.
        As you said yourself: videos don’t necessarily mean something is real. QED 😉

  4. ‘And when the Lord shall send a great light, then there will be judgment for the just and the unjust, and there no one shall escape notice.’
    The Book of the Secrets of Enoch, 46:4

  5. From my personal observations: double rainbows we sometimes see now, as well as double comet tails, could be easily explained by the another source of radiation in Solar System, one close to Sun.
    By the power of Ockham’s Razor, simply.

      1. This is what believing is.
        Believing with evidence is knowing.
        But I am hypothesizing on the basis of observable facts (rainbows, comet tails).

        But why you are so against Nibiru theory, David? By no way I am a partisan of this idea, but as an open-minded person who likes simple explanations as advised by Ockham I do not exclude it entirely too.

        1. Ignoring for the moment the very important complete lack of evidence that Nibiru exists – The “Nibiru theory” goes against what the Sumerians and Babylonians wrote about Nibiru (Nibiru=crossing point, probably where the ecliptic crosses the Milky Way) and instead proposes a rogue planet that passes close to Earth every 3600 years and causes great destruction every time. Except nothing caused great destruction within the last 3600 years, and if such a rogue planet did cross Earth’s path so often we would long ago have been destroyed by a passage that came too close.

      2. Nibiru is the planet of the crossing, where ‘planet’ means naked eye visible, non-fixed, nighttime celestial object, and the planet that crosses (the galactic plane), is our second sun, which crosses it twice a great year (along with The Sun). Just after that crossing, our Earth encounters a steadily intensifying magnetic field of opposite polarity (to the one enjoyed for the last 12,000 years), and eventually flips 180°.

        David is thus right. The ‘Nibiru=rogue planet’ disinfo is intended to misdirect the less discerning.

  6. 15 years ago when I studied astronomy I was repeatedly told that in its own class (G) Sun is a small star, and nova is not an issue as a standard element of its life cycle. I wonder why this has changed now…
    And well, Nibiru could be a neutron star, couldn’t it be?
    The Book of the Secrets of Enoch speaks about ‘the terror of the Lord’ etc.

  7. Nibiru means ‘crossing point’ in a lexical sense, but as any word can be the name of a star or a planet, this word could be such a name too.
    I also do not think the period of 3600 years is right…. The fact that Earth wasn’t destroyed yet, could be explained by the fact that Nibiru orbit is changing too as well as by the fact that Nibiru being a part of the system, must be in a labile balance with the rest of its object…. My hypothesis is that it is slowly drifting towards Sun…. Long time ago it allegedly started around Neptun, and now is maybe around asteroid belt….
    But we still didn’t solve 3-bodies problem, so we can’t say we know anything here.

    I think the main problem about Nibiru is not its orbit or nature but that it raises the question of extraterrestrial intelligence as per Sumerian legends….

  8. Maybe the Holy Trinity is the code for the fact that we live in the triple system – Sun, Sirius, Nibiru.
    If Nibiru is a star – taking into account its very eccentric, highly inclined orbit -I have some doubts whether Sun alone could bond this ‘star’.

  9. I think ZOD Is generally right, and that the pole shift can’t be more than 45 degrees, taking into account that deserts – which probably were under ice or water as some point in time – seem to have stayed in the same hemisphere.
    A lot may depend on the position of the trigger, as well where ‘hinges’ of shift will be. The sphere can be rotated along any of its axes.

  10. According to the Ethiopian calendar, it is 2012 now.
    They also use this ancient way of measuring days and nights, where a day and a night have fixed length of 12 hours, having therefore day hours and night hours.
    Such a time measure was used by the Maya and the ancient Japanese too.

    1. Just as Yin/Yang or White/Black represent the two 12 millennia cycles of the great year. Commemorating this by keeping 12 hours for the day and 12 for the night is logical. However, this has given way to the regularity required by modern living.

  11. “And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord” Isaiah 66:23
    Could it be that this period (lunar month + week) starts with the current new moon and ends with the end of Trump’s term…?! Well, didn’t dr Fauci recently say that covid would start to decline after 22.01.2020, did he…?

  12. Zod, what do you think about the authorship of the Bible?
    Do you think that the Old Testament and the New Testament had the same author…?
    I must say, I have never really got around the relationship between these two sets of the books. Essentially, the Old Testament says everything you need to know about pole shift already…

    1. JtA, I don’t think that much about the authorship.
      It was produced and perpetuated by those who wished to preserve vital knowledge – proliferation being part of the preservation strategy.

      1. Well, the interesting question is: were they dictated by the same ‘god’? The Old Testament is obsessed with false gods, so couldn’t the New Testament be
        dictated by such an impostor…?
        The question is interesting as it builds upon the main controversy of early Christianity: namely, that of Judeochristianity.
        The former claimed that in order to be a Christian you had to be a Jew first, the latter said that non-Jews could be Christians too.
        The ultimate problem behind this controversy was the salvation of non-Jews. If you do not know this problem – as strangely many do – you do not realize why some Christians covet a close relationship with Israel (as a community, not a state)
        The thing generated some strange ideas though, for example, British Israelism.

  13. Surprisingly, there was indeed a movie about Atlantis (I have always wondered why the great themes of Atlantis and ancient Egypt have not been really touched by Hollywood).
    The movie – judging just from a trailer – has points which evoke some modern problems:

    1) genetic engineering in the quest of transhumans, so to say
    2) mutants, there is very strong ban on zoophilia in the Old Testament BTW
    3) using power of Sun through crystals (one of theory about Great Pyramids of Egypt is that they were made of melted stone)
    4) ‘the (1)race of (2) masters’ problem, and imperialism
    5) gladiators fights (well, that was Rome, and Aztec empire too)


    1. Well, maybe the reason we don’t get movies about Atlantis is that – unlike in 50’ties – we are now too close to Atlantis.
      A reminder that the owl [knowledge] always appears after the dusk, as Hegel said. And, as Orwell said in 1984: ‘Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.’

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